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by usnspecialist » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:04 pm
RANK: 48
YEAR: 1997
TEAM: Florida Marlins
TOP WAR: 508.7
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Cleveland Indians
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 508.7 | 48 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 301.3 | 56 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 207.4 | 40 |
TOTAL WAR | 639.8 | 41 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 404.9 | 43 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 234.9 | 43 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 131.1 | 30 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 103.6 | 21 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 27.5 | 49 |
BATTER AGE | 28.00 | 55 |
PITCHER AGE | 27.53 | 62 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 29.36 | 38 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.20 | 67 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 25 | Charles Johnson | 22.6 |
1B | 31 | Jeff Conine | 19.5 |
2B | 21 | Luis Castillo | 29.1 |
SS | 20 | Edgar Rentaria | 32.4 |
3B | 34 | Bobby Bonilla | 30.2 |
LF | 30 | Moises Alou | 39.9 |
CF | 34 | Devon White | 47.3 |
RF | 28 | Gary Sheffield | 60.5 |
BENCH | 38 | Jim Eisenreich | 13.2 |
BENCH | 28 | Kurt Abbot | 0.5 |
BENCH | 34 | John Cangelosi | 6.1 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 32 | Kevin Brown | 67.8 |
SP | 27 | Alex Fernandez | 28.5 |
SP | 31 | Al Leiter | 40.0 |
SP | 23 | Tony Saunders | 2.7 |
SP | 29 | Pat Rapp | 9.3 |
SP | 22 | Livan Hernandez | 30.0 |
RP | 27 | Robb Nen | 15.0 |
RP | 25 | Jay Powell | 2.8 |
RP | 34 | Dennis Cook | 10.7 |
RP | 22 | Felix Heredia | 0.6 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 24 | Cliff Floyd | 25.9 |
BENCH | 35 | Darren Daulton | 23.0 |
BENCH | 26 | Craig Counsell | 22.4 |
BENCH | 21 | Mark Kotsay | 21.4 |
BULLPEN | 26 | Rick Helling | 20.2 |
BENCH | 26 | Gregg Zaun | 13.7 |
BENCH | 22 | Josh Booty | 0.0 |
Comments: The squad best known for being dismantled in the immediate aftermath of their title (only to raise from the ashes 6 years later to win again), the hallmark of this team was a balanced offense anchored by HOFer Gary Sheffield and a very top heavy veteran rotation led by the criminally underrated Kevin Brown (Livan Hernandez was a rookie that year who didn’t come on until late in the year). He is also mostly forgotten now, but older folks will remember Devon White as the silky smooth CF who is probably best known for being a member of the Blue Jays title teams in the early 90s. The bench was full of guys who hadn’t quite popped yet (and well, Darren Daulton) but would have solid careers in their own right.
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by usnspecialist » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:25 pm
RANK: 47
YEAR: 1985
TEAM: Kansas City Royals
TOP WAR: 511.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series over St Louis Cardinals 4-3
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 511.4 | 47 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 298.1 | 57 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 213.3 | 35 |
TOTAL WAR | 575.2 | 58 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 314.1 | 62 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 261.1 | 37 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 63.8 | 67 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 16 | 76 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 47.8 | 32 |
BATTER AGE | 30.43 | 5 |
PITCHER AGE | 27.57 | 56 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 30.73 | 14 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 26.60 | 73 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 34 | Jim Sundberg | 40.5 |
1B | 28 | Steve Balboni | 0.9 |
2B | 34 | Frank White | 34.8 |
SS | 27 | Onix Concepcion | 0.0 |
3B | 32 | George Brett | 88.6 |
LF | 29 | Lonnie Smith | 38.5 |
CF | 29 | Willie Wilson | 46.1 |
RF | 25 | Darryl Motley | 0.5 |
DH | 39 | Hal McRae | 27.9 |
BENCH | 34 | Jorge Orta | 14.9 |
BENCH | 27 | Pat Sheridan | 5.4 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 28 | Charlie Leibrandt | 33.3 |
SP | 21 | Bret Saberhagen | 58.9 |
SP | 23 | Danny Jackson | 17.1 |
SP | 28 | Bud Black | 20.9 |
SP | 22 | Mark Gubicza | 37.4 |
RP | 32 | Dan Quisenberry | 24.6 |
RP | 30 | Joe Beckwith | 2.9 |
RP | 25 | Mike Jones | -0.1 |
RP | 29 | Mike LaCoss | 0.2 |
RP | 28 | Steve Farr | 18.1 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BULLPEN | 34 | Dennis Leonard | 25.7 |
BULLPEN | 37 | Larry Gura | 21.4 |
BENCH | 32 | Omar Moreno | 9.6 |
Comments: The last good Royals team for a generation after basically a full decade of contention (including some epic battles with the Yankees in the 70s and a World Series loss to the Phillies in 1980), and by the looks of that lineup there were some guys who would have fit in very well with the shitty teams that succeeded them. 3 guys in the starting lineup with a career WAR of <1.0 is not exactly something you expect to see form a World Series winner. Then again, it wasn’t like the bench had much better to offer, as Moreno is the only guy above 5.0 there. The starting rotation was very young and pretty well balanced, with rookie phenom Bret Saberhagen leading the way.
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JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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by usnspecialist » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:28 pm
indiansfan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:00 pm
Still some of my favorites yet to be ranked, 68 Orioles, 72 A's and the Indians teams in the 90's. Really enjoying this series.
im assuming you mean the 69 Orioles (68 is before the data here, and also would have been the tigers anyway). Also those A's are coming right up....
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by usnspecialist » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:47 pm
RANK: 46
YEAR: 1972
TEAM: Oakland Athletics
TOP WAR: 511.7
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series over Cincinnati Reds 4-3
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 511.7 | 46 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 315.9 | 46 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 195.8 | 45 |
TOTAL WAR | 708.4 | 29 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 476.4 | 20 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 232.0 | 45 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 196.7 | 6 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 160.5 | 3 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 36.2 | 37 |
BATTER AGE | 28.78 | 36 |
PITCHER AGE | 28.27 | 40 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 28.09 | 63 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.80 | 59 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 26 | Dave Duncan | 6.5 |
1B | 29 | Mike Epstein | 12.7 |
2B | 30 | Tim Cullen | 3.7 |
SS | 30 | Bert Campaneris | 53.1 |
3B | 28 | Sal Bando | 61.5 |
LF | 25 | Joe Rudi | 25.5 |
CF | 26 | Reggie Jackson | 74.0 |
RF | 25 | Angel Mangual | 2.1 |
BENCH | 25 | Gene Tenace | 46.8 |
BENCH | 32 | Larry Brown | 6.9 |
BENCH | 33 | Matty Alou | 23.1 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 26 | Catfish Hunter | 40.9 |
SP | 26 | Ken Holtzman | 27.3 |
SP | 27 | Blue Moon Odom | 5.4 |
SP | 22 | Vida Blue | 45.1 |
SP | 24 | Dave Hamilton | 3.8 |
RP | 25 | Rollie Fingers | 25.6 |
RP | 34 | Joe Horlen | 23.1 |
RP | 34 | Bob Locker | 10.2 |
RP | 30 | Darold Knowles | 12.0 |
RP | 30 | Gary Waslewski | 2.4 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 34 | Orlando Cepeda | 50.1 |
BENCH | 22 | George Hendrick | 29.1 |
BENCH | 34 | Don Mincher | 23.1 |
BULLPEN | 28 | Denny McLain | 19.3 |
BENCH | 31 | Dick Green | 16.0 |
BULLPEN | 34 | Diego Segui | 12.6 |
BENCH | 28 | Curt Biefary | 11.0 |
BENCH | 28 | Ollie Brown | 10.4 |
Comments: The first of the 3 peat Athletics, this is also their best team on paper. The starting rotation is mostly unchanged from previous entries on this list (although the bullpen was of higher quality), and a lot of the offensive names remain the same. What gives this team a boost is having Matty Alou instead of his brother Jesus (who featured on the subsequent teams), as that bought them an extra 22 WAR. This garbage WAR total seems impressive from the offensive side, but a bulk of that is from 3 pinch hit appearances from Orlando Cepada (acquired in a mid-season trade for Denny McLain), before he had to have season ending surgery. Other than that it was a solid deep bench, but nothing unlike what we have seen from prior teams.
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Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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by usnspecialist » Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:02 pm
RANK: 45
YEAR: 1979
TEAM: Baltimore Orioles
TOP WAR: 524.6
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to Pittsburgh Pirates 4-3
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 524.6 | 45 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 314.6 | 47 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 210.0 | 37 |
TOTAL WAR | 554.6 | 62 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 345.2 | 57 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 209.4 | 54 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 30 | 80 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 30.6 | 67 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | -0.6 | 80 |
BATTER AGE | 28.86 | 34 |
PITCHER AGE | 26.42 | 76 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 29.27 | 40 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.00 | 70 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 29 | Rick Dempsey | 25.1 |
1B | 23 | Eddie Murray | 68.7 |
2B | 26 | Rich Dauer | 14.4 |
SS | 25 | Kiko Garcia | 4.9 |
3B | 28 | Doug DiCinces | 41.7 |
LF | 24 | Gary Roenicke | 15.4 |
CF | 32 | Al Bumbry | 24.5 |
RF | 32 | Ken Singleton | 41.8 |
DH | 36 | Lee May | 27.2 |
BENCH | 35 | Mark Belanger | 40.9 |
BENCH | 32 | John Lowenstein | 10.0 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 25 | Dennis Martinez | 48.7 |
SP | 27 | Mike Flanagan | 25.5 |
SP | 31 | Steve Stone | 17.1 |
SP | 25 | Scott McGregor | 20.2 |
SP | 33 | Jim Palmer | 68.5 |
RP | 28 | Don Stanhouse | 5.7 |
RP | 24 | Sammy Stewart | 10.0 |
RP | 29 | Tippy Martinez | 8.6 |
RP | 26 | Tim Stoddard | 4.6 |
RP | 22 | Dave Ford | 1.1 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 34 | Pat Kelly | 11.7 |
BULLPEN | 23 | Jeff Rineer | 0.1 |
Comments: A relatively balanced but shallow team (there were only 12 pitchers on the roster this entire season, and rineer is the only one not already mentioned who had a positive career WAR), this Orioles team took the We Are Family Pirates to 7 before falling. The offense was solid at every position except SS (which a certain Ironman would fill in a few years time), as the headliner there was a young future HOFer in Eddie Murray. The rotation was relatively balanced agewise, with Jim Palmer on the backend of his career and El Presidente Dennis Martinez as the ace. Martinez wasn’t nearly as good as his brother, but he had a pretty damn good career in his own right. Steve Stone also featured before going on to become a well known broadcaster on both sides of Chicago a generation later.
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San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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by Dington » Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:38 pm
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:02 pm
RANK: 45
YEAR: 1979
TEAM: Baltimore Orioles
TOP WAR: 524.6
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to Pittsburgh Pirates 4-3
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 524.6 | 45 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 314.6 | 47 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 210.0 | 37 |
TOTAL WAR | 554.6 | 62 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 345.2 | 57 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 209.4 | 54 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 30 | 80 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 30.6 | 67 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | -0.6 | 80 |
BATTER AGE | 28.86 | 34 |
PITCHER AGE | 26.42 | 76 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 29.27 | 40 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.00 | 70 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 29 | Rick Dempsey | 25.1 |
1B | 23 | Eddie Murray | 68.7 |
2B | 26 | Rich Dauer | 14.4 |
SS | 25 | Kiko Garcia | 4.9 |
3B | 28 | Doug DiCinces | 41.7 |
LF | 24 | Gary Roenicke | 15.4 |
CF | 32 | Al Bumbry | 24.5 |
RF | 32 | Ken Singleton | 41.8 |
DH | 36 | Lee May | 27.2 |
BENCH | 35 | Mark Belanger | 40.9 |
BENCH | 32 | John Lowenstein | 10.0 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 25 | Dennis Martinez | 48.7 |
SP | 27 | Mike Flanagan | 25.5 |
SP | 31 | Steve Stone | 17.1 |
SP | 25 | Scott McGregor | 20.2 |
SP | 33 | Jim Palmer | 68.5 |
RP | 28 | Don Stanhouse | 5.7 |
RP | 24 | Sammy Stewart | 10.0 |
RP | 29 | Tippy Martinez | 8.6 |
RP | 26 | Tim Stoddard | 4.6 |
RP | 22 | Dave Ford | 1.1 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 34 | Pat Kelly | 11.7 |
BULLPEN | 23 | Jeff Rineer | 0.1 |
Comments: A relatively balanced but shallow team (there were only 12 pitchers on the roster this entire season, and rineer is the only one not already mentioned who had a positive career WAR), this Orioles team took the We Are Family Pirates to 7 before falling. The offense was solid at every position except SS (which a certain Ironman would fill in a few years time), as the headliner there was a young future HOFer in Eddie Murray. The rotation was relatively balanced agewise, with Jim Palmer on the backend of his career and El Presidente Dennis Martinez as the ace. Martinez wasn’t nearly as good as his brother, but he had a pretty damn good career in his own right. Steve Stone also featured before going on to become a well known broadcaster on both sides of Chicago a generation later.
Who was El Presidentes brother?
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by Jwalk100 » Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:13 pm
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:04 pm
RANK: 48
YEAR: 1997
TEAM: Florida Marlins
TOP WAR: 508.7
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Cleveland Indians
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 508.7 | 48 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 301.3 | 56 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 207.4 | 40 |
TOTAL WAR | 639.8 | 41 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 404.9 | 43 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 234.9 | 43 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 131.1 | 30 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 103.6 | 21 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 27.5 | 49 |
BATTER AGE | 28.00 | 55 |
PITCHER AGE | 27.53 | 62 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 29.36 | 38 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.20 | 67 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 25 | Charles Johnson | 22.6 |
1B | 31 | Jeff Conine | 19.5 |
2B | 21 | Luis Castillo | 29.1 |
SS | 20 | Edgar Rentaria | 32.4 |
3B | 34 | Bobby Bonilla | 30.2 |
LF | 30 | Moises Alou | 39.9 |
CF | 34 | Devon White | 47.3 |
RF | 28 | Gary Sheffield | 60.5 |
BENCH | 38 | Jim Eisenreich | 13.2 |
BENCH | 28 | Kurt Abbot | 0.5 |
BENCH | 34 | John Cangelosi | 6.1 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 32 | Kevin Brown | 67.8 |
SP | 27 | Alex Fernandez | 28.5 |
SP | 31 | Al Leiter | 40.0 |
SP | 23 | Tony Saunders | 2.7 |
SP | 29 | Pat Rapp | 9.3 |
SP | 22 | Livan Hernandez | 30.0 |
RP | 27 | Robb Nen | 15.0 |
RP | 25 | Jay Powell | 2.8 |
RP | 34 | Dennis Cook | 10.7 |
RP | 22 | Felix Heredia | 0.6 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 24 | Cliff Floyd | 25.9 |
BENCH | 35 | Darren Daulton | 23.0 |
BENCH | 26 | Craig Counsell | 22.4 |
BENCH | 21 | Mark Kotsay | 21.4 |
BULLPEN | 26 | Rick Helling | 20.2 |
BENCH | 26 | Gregg Zaun | 13.7 |
BENCH | 22 | Josh Booty | 0.0 |
Comments: The squad best known for being dismantled in the immediate aftermath of their title (only to raise from the ashes 6 years later to win again), the hallmark of this team was a balanced offense anchored by HOFer Gary Sheffield and a very top heavy veteran rotation led by the criminally underrated Kevin Brown (Livan Hernandez was a rookie that year who didn’t come on until late in the year). He is also mostly forgotten now, but older folks will remember Devon White as the silky smooth CF who is probably best known for being a member of the Blue Jays title teams in the early 90s. The bench was full of guys who hadn’t quite popped yet (and well, Darren Daulton) but would have solid careers in their own right.
Josh Booty was a QB at LSU under Nick Saban. He ended up in the NFL for a short time.
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by trmmilwwi » Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:38 am
Love this series. The names bring me back for sure. Sheffield (with his gold teeth), Charles Johnson, Saberhagen. My card collecting prime.
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by usnspecialist » Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:56 pm
Dington wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:38 pm
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:02 pm
RANK: 45
YEAR: 1979
TEAM: Baltimore Orioles
TOP WAR: 524.6
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to Pittsburgh Pirates 4-3
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 524.6 | 45 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 314.6 | 47 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 210.0 | 37 |
TOTAL WAR | 554.6 | 62 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 345.2 | 57 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 209.4 | 54 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 30 | 80 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 30.6 | 67 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | -0.6 | 80 |
BATTER AGE | 28.86 | 34 |
PITCHER AGE | 26.42 | 76 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 29.27 | 40 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.00 | 70 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 29 | Rick Dempsey | 25.1 |
1B | 23 | Eddie Murray | 68.7 |
2B | 26 | Rich Dauer | 14.4 |
SS | 25 | Kiko Garcia | 4.9 |
3B | 28 | Doug DiCinces | 41.7 |
LF | 24 | Gary Roenicke | 15.4 |
CF | 32 | Al Bumbry | 24.5 |
RF | 32 | Ken Singleton | 41.8 |
DH | 36 | Lee May | 27.2 |
BENCH | 35 | Mark Belanger | 40.9 |
BENCH | 32 | John Lowenstein | 10.0 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 25 | Dennis Martinez | 48.7 |
SP | 27 | Mike Flanagan | 25.5 |
SP | 31 | Steve Stone | 17.1 |
SP | 25 | Scott McGregor | 20.2 |
SP | 33 | Jim Palmer | 68.5 |
RP | 28 | Don Stanhouse | 5.7 |
RP | 24 | Sammy Stewart | 10.0 |
RP | 29 | Tippy Martinez | 8.6 |
RP | 26 | Tim Stoddard | 4.6 |
RP | 22 | Dave Ford | 1.1 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 34 | Pat Kelly | 11.7 |
BULLPEN | 23 | Jeff Rineer | 0.1 |
Comments: A relatively balanced but shallow team (there were only 12 pitchers on the roster this entire season, and rineer is the only one not already mentioned who had a positive career WAR), this Orioles team took the We Are Family Pirates to 7 before falling. The offense was solid at every position except SS (which a certain Ironman would fill in a few years time), as the headliner there was a young future HOFer in Eddie Murray. The rotation was relatively balanced agewise, with Jim Palmer on the backend of his career and El Presidente Dennis Martinez as the ace. Martinez wasn’t nearly as good as his brother, but he had a pretty damn good career in his own right. Steve Stone also featured before going on to become a well known broadcaster on both sides of Chicago a generation later.
Who was El Presidentes brother?
The greatest right handed pitcher of the last 30 years, Pedro Martinez.
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JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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by usnspecialist » Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:57 pm
Jwalk100 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:13 pm
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:04 pm
RANK: 48
YEAR: 1997
TEAM: Florida Marlins
TOP WAR: 508.7
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Won World Series 4-3 over Cleveland Indians
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 508.7 | 48 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 301.3 | 56 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 207.4 | 40 |
TOTAL WAR | 639.8 | 41 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 404.9 | 43 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 234.9 | 43 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 131.1 | 30 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 103.6 | 21 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 27.5 | 49 |
BATTER AGE | 28.00 | 55 |
PITCHER AGE | 27.53 | 62 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 29.36 | 38 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.20 | 67 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 25 | Charles Johnson | 22.6 |
1B | 31 | Jeff Conine | 19.5 |
2B | 21 | Luis Castillo | 29.1 |
SS | 20 | Edgar Rentaria | 32.4 |
3B | 34 | Bobby Bonilla | 30.2 |
LF | 30 | Moises Alou | 39.9 |
CF | 34 | Devon White | 47.3 |
RF | 28 | Gary Sheffield | 60.5 |
BENCH | 38 | Jim Eisenreich | 13.2 |
BENCH | 28 | Kurt Abbot | 0.5 |
BENCH | 34 | John Cangelosi | 6.1 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 32 | Kevin Brown | 67.8 |
SP | 27 | Alex Fernandez | 28.5 |
SP | 31 | Al Leiter | 40.0 |
SP | 23 | Tony Saunders | 2.7 |
SP | 29 | Pat Rapp | 9.3 |
SP | 22 | Livan Hernandez | 30.0 |
RP | 27 | Robb Nen | 15.0 |
RP | 25 | Jay Powell | 2.8 |
RP | 34 | Dennis Cook | 10.7 |
RP | 22 | Felix Heredia | 0.6 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 24 | Cliff Floyd | 25.9 |
BENCH | 35 | Darren Daulton | 23.0 |
BENCH | 26 | Craig Counsell | 22.4 |
BENCH | 21 | Mark Kotsay | 21.4 |
BULLPEN | 26 | Rick Helling | 20.2 |
BENCH | 26 | Gregg Zaun | 13.7 |
BENCH | 22 | Josh Booty | 0.0 |
Comments: The squad best known for being dismantled in the immediate aftermath of their title (only to raise from the ashes 6 years later to win again), the hallmark of this team was a balanced offense anchored by HOFer Gary Sheffield and a very top heavy veteran rotation led by the criminally underrated Kevin Brown (Livan Hernandez was a rookie that year who didn’t come on until late in the year). He is also mostly forgotten now, but older folks will remember Devon White as the silky smooth CF who is probably best known for being a member of the Blue Jays title teams in the early 90s. The bench was full of guys who hadn’t quite popped yet (and well, Darren Daulton) but would have solid careers in their own right.
Josh Booty was a QB at LSU under Nick Saban. He ended up in the NFL for a short time.
i meant to mention something about that, which is why i tossed him in there (the "others of note" is basically anyone over 10 WAR and/or people who are well known for other reasons).
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by Dington » Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:58 pm
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:56 pm
Dington wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:38 pm
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:02 pm
RANK: 45
YEAR: 1979
TEAM: Baltimore Orioles
TOP WAR: 524.6
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series to Pittsburgh Pirates 4-3
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 524.6 | 45 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 314.6 | 47 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 210.0 | 37 |
TOTAL WAR | 554.6 | 62 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 345.2 | 57 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 209.4 | 54 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 30 | 80 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 30.6 | 67 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | -0.6 | 80 |
BATTER AGE | 28.86 | 34 |
PITCHER AGE | 26.42 | 76 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 29.27 | 40 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 27.00 | 70 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 29 | Rick Dempsey | 25.1 |
1B | 23 | Eddie Murray | 68.7 |
2B | 26 | Rich Dauer | 14.4 |
SS | 25 | Kiko Garcia | 4.9 |
3B | 28 | Doug DiCinces | 41.7 |
LF | 24 | Gary Roenicke | 15.4 |
CF | 32 | Al Bumbry | 24.5 |
RF | 32 | Ken Singleton | 41.8 |
DH | 36 | Lee May | 27.2 |
BENCH | 35 | Mark Belanger | 40.9 |
BENCH | 32 | John Lowenstein | 10.0 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 25 | Dennis Martinez | 48.7 |
SP | 27 | Mike Flanagan | 25.5 |
SP | 31 | Steve Stone | 17.1 |
SP | 25 | Scott McGregor | 20.2 |
SP | 33 | Jim Palmer | 68.5 |
RP | 28 | Don Stanhouse | 5.7 |
RP | 24 | Sammy Stewart | 10.0 |
RP | 29 | Tippy Martinez | 8.6 |
RP | 26 | Tim Stoddard | 4.6 |
RP | 22 | Dave Ford | 1.1 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 34 | Pat Kelly | 11.7 |
BULLPEN | 23 | Jeff Rineer | 0.1 |
Comments: A relatively balanced but shallow team (there were only 12 pitchers on the roster this entire season, and rineer is the only one not already mentioned who had a positive career WAR), this Orioles team took the We Are Family Pirates to 7 before falling. The offense was solid at every position except SS (which a certain Ironman would fill in a few years time), as the headliner there was a young future HOFer in Eddie Murray. The rotation was relatively balanced agewise, with Jim Palmer on the backend of his career and El Presidente Dennis Martinez as the ace. Martinez wasn’t nearly as good as his brother, but he had a pretty damn good career in his own right. Steve Stone also featured before going on to become a well known broadcaster on both sides of Chicago a generation later.
Who was El Presidentes brother?
The greatest right handed pitcher of the last 30 years, Pedro Martinez.
I think you're confusing Ramon and Pedro as brothers. No relation to El Presidente.
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by usnspecialist » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:02 pm
Dington wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:58 pm
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:56 pm
Dington wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:38 pm
Who was El Presidentes brother?
The greatest right handed pitcher of the last 30 years, Pedro Martinez.
I think you're confusing Ramon and Pedro as brothers. No relation to El Presidente.
you think correctly.
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by usnspecialist » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:31 pm
RANK: 44
YEAR: 2002
TEAM: San Francisco Giants
TOP WAR: 525.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to Anaheim Angels
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 525.4 | 44 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 401.4 | 20 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 124.0 | 70 |
TOTAL WAR | 631.3 | 43 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 468.0 | 23 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 163.3 | 69 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 105.9 | 46 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 66.6 | 45 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 39.3 | 34 |
BATTER AGE | 30.57 | 4 |
PITCHER AGE | 29.06 | 25 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 32.45 | 3 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 29.50 | 32 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 37 | Benito Santiago | 27.4 |
1B | 34 | JT Snow | 11.0 |
2B | 34 | Jeff Kent | 55.4 |
SS | 30 | Rich Aurilia | 18.2 |
3B | 29 | David Bell | 15.2 |
LF | 37 | Barry Bonds | 163.0 |
CF | 30 | Tsuyoshi Shinjo | 3.9 |
RF | 34 | Reggie Sanders | 39.8 |
BENCH | 35 | Kenny Lofton | 68.4 |
BENCH | 28 | Damon Minor | 0.1 |
BENCH | 29 | Ramon Martinez | -0.8 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 27 | Livan Hernandez | 30.0 |
SP | 28 | Russ Ortiz | 13.2 |
SP | 31 | Kirk Rueter | 16.3 |
SP | 29 | Jason Schmidt | 29.5 |
SP | 26 | Ryan Jensen | -0.3 |
RP | 32 | Robb Nen | 15.0 |
RP | 34 | Tim Worrel | 8.7 |
RP | 29 | Felix Rodriguez | 8.5 |
RP | 29 | Jay Witasick | 2.6 |
RP | 30 | Chad Zerbe | 0.5 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BULLPEN | 27 | Joe Nathan | 26.7 |
BENCH | 31 | Bill Mueller | 23.9 |
BENCH | 39 | Shawon Dunston | 11.5 |
Comments: The one World Series appearance for maybe the greatest hitter of all time (and the first for manager Dusty Baker), and it happened with a group of old dudes. Only 1 lineup member under the age of 30 (David Bell at the ripe old age of 29), and of the 9 starters there is really only other 1 guy worth a historical note in Jeff Kent (although Kenny Lofton off the bench is an incredible weapon historically that deserves FAR more respect than he got). Also if you have a guy in Barry Bonds who basically has 2 HOF careers worth of WAR and you still barely crack the top 1/4 of pennant winning offenses, that is not great for you… The starting rotation is only slightly younger, and full of guys that are pretty “meh”, both at the time and in hindsight.
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by usnspecialist » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:51 pm
RANK: 43
YEAR: 1994
TEAM: Chicago White Sox
TOP WAR: 525.7
PLAYOFF RESULTS: NONE (2nd in AL at the time, but New York Yankees were #1 and are well represented from this time)
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 525.7 | 43 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 342.1 | 32 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 183.6 | 51 |
TOTAL WAR | 563.1 | 61 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 372.8 | 49 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 190.3 | 59 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 37.4 | 77 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 30.7 | 66 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 6.7 | 72 |
BATTER AGE | 29.75 | 19 |
PITCHER AGE | 29.71 | 15 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 30.00 | 25 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 29.50 | 32 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 30 | Ron Karkovice | 14.6 |
1B | 26 | Frank Thomas | 73.8 |
2B | 29 | Joey Cora | 7.9 |
SS | 30 | Ozzie Guillen | 20.9 |
3B | 26 | Robin Ventura | 56.1 |
LF | 34 | Tim Raines | 69.4 |
CF | 30 | Lance Johnson | 30.2 |
RF | 30 | Darrin Jackson | 11.3 |
DH | 35 | Julio Franco | 43.6 |
BENCH | 33 | Mike LaValliere | 13.9 |
BENCH | 27 | Norberto Martin | 0.4 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 28 | Jack McDowell | 27.8 |
SP | 24 | Alex Fernandez | 28.5 |
SP | 24 | Wilson Alvarez | 24.8 |
SP | 23 | Jason Bere | 3.3 |
SP | 37 | Scott Sanderson | 27.7 |
RP | 29 | Roberto Hernandez | 18.5 |
RP | 33 | Jose DeLeon | 15.0 |
RP | 33 | Kirk McCaskill | 14.3 |
RP | 31 | Dennis Cook | 10.7 |
RP | 33 | Paul Assenmacher | 13.0 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 32 | Dan Pasqua | 10.7 |
BENCH | 29 | Craig Grabeck | 10.2 |
BULLPEN | 36 | Atlee Hammaker | 8.3 |
BENCH | 32 | Bob Melvin | 2.5 |
Comments: As mentioned above, the White Sox were not leading the American League at this time (although they were leading the AL West, the Yankees had a better overall record), but I made the executive decision because the Yankees from this generation were VERY well represented later on in this list to get some variety. This was a team that had a lot of promising potential as a good bulk of their lineup and rotation were in the middle of the prime (and they had also made the 1993 ALCS the year before), but they never really came back after the strike with any sort of spark. Anytime a team can have only 1 member of the 10 man rotation and 2 of their top 11 hitters with below 10 WAR, that is a pretty balanced team. As a White Sox fan it would have been fun to see what this team was capable of but alas….
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by usnspecialist » Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:21 pm
RANK: 42
YEAR: 1972
TEAM: Cincinnati Reds
TOP WAR: 532.8
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to Oakland Athletics
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 532.8 | 42 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 443.3 | 8 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 89.5 | 81 |
TOTAL WAR | 615.8 | 46 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 502.1 | 14 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 113.7 | 80 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 83.0 | 61 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 58.8 | 50 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 24.2 | 53 |
BATTER AGE | 27.33 | 73 |
PITCHER AGE | 26.23 | 78 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 26.64 | 78 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 25.30 | 81 |
TOP HITTERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 24 | Johnny Bench | 75.2 |
1B | 30 | Tony Perez | 54.0 |
2B | 28 | Joe Morgan | 100.5 |
SS | 24 | Dave Concepcion | 40.1 |
3B | 31 | Denis Menke | 28.1 |
LF | 31 | Pete Rose | 79.7 |
CF | 26 | Bobby Tolan | 10.1 |
RF | 24 | Cesar Geronimo | 12.9 |
BENCH | 24 | Darrel Chaney | -3.4 |
BENCH | 28 | Joe Hague | 1.9 |
BENCH | 23 | George Foster | 44.2 |
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
SP | 29 | Jack Billingham | 7.4 |
SP | 22 | Ross Grimsley | 5.1 |
SP | 24 | Gary Nolan | 25.9 |
SP | 28 | Jim McGlothlin | 6.3 |
SP | 21 | Don Gullett | 18.2 |
RP | 23 | Wayne Simpson | -1.0 |
RP | 31 | Clay Carroll | 17.7 |
RP | 24 | Tom Hall | 5.9 |
RP | 25 | Pedro Borbon | 5.2 |
RP | 26 | Ed Sprague | -1.2 |
OTHERS OF NOTE:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
BENCH | 26 | Hal McRae | 27.9 |
BENCH | 24 | Bernie Carbo | 18.4 |
BULLPEN | 28 | Jim Merritt | 16.1 |
BENCH | 35 | Julian Javier | 13.9 |
Comments: Holy unbalanced team batman. Meet the 2nd worst pitching staff of any pennant winning team covered (and spoiler alert, it finished 0.1 ahead of another Reds team from this era). The Big Red Machine was clearly focused around offense, and in that the did VERY well. 3 HOFers (Bench, Perez, Morgan) plus Pete Rose, not to mention guys like George Foster and Dave Concepcion who didn’t exactly suck either. The pitching staff on the other hand, featured almost as many guys with 10+ WAR (3) as negative WAR (2) which is not exactly ideal. This team also wraps up the bottom half of our list, we are halfway there folks!!
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by RonCo » Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:47 am
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:31 pm
RANK: 44
YEAR: 2002
TEAM: San Francisco Giants
TOP WAR: 525.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to Anaheim Angels
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 37 | Benito Santiago | 27.4 |
1B | 34 | JT Snow | 11.0 |
2B | 34 | Jeff Kent | 55.4 |
SS | 30 | Rich Aurilia | 18.2 |
3B | 29 | David Bell | 15.2 |
LF | 37 | Barry Bonds | 163.0 |
CF | 30 | Tsuyoshi Shinjo | 3.9 |
RF | 34 | Reggie Sanders | 39.8 |
BENCH | 35 | Kenny Lofton | 68.4 |
BENCH | 28 | Damon Minor | 0.1 |
BENCH | 29 | Ramon Martinez | -0.8 |
Dang ... another double-paste.
No pitchers!
Aside: It's annoying that Bonds did the stuff because he'd be in just based on his first career. Dummy.
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by RonCo » Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:54 am
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:51 pm
Comments: As mentioned above, the White Sox were not leading the American League at this time (although they were leading the AL West, the Yankees had a better overall record), but I made the executive decision because the Yankees from this generation were VERY well represented later on in this list to get some variety. This was a team that had a lot of promising potential as a good bulk of their lineup and rotation were in the middle of the prime (and they had also made the 1993 ALCS the year before), but they never really came back after the strike with any sort of spark. Anytime a team can have only 1 member of the 10 man rotation and 2 of their top 11 hitters with below 10 WAR, that is a pretty balanced team. As a White Sox fan it would have been fun to see what this team was capable of but alas….
Yeah, it would have been great to see an older Tim Raines get another shot here. The strike year has the same "what if" kind of feel as the pandemic year. Yes, the Dodgers got their World Series out of it, but we got robbed of the full story that a real season allows.
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by RonCo » Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:59 am
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:21 pm
RANK: 42
YEAR: 1972
TEAM: Cincinnati Reds
TOP WAR: 532.8
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to Oakland Athletics
TOTALS:
CATEGORY | TOTAL | RANK |
TOP TOTAL WAR | 532.8 | 42 |
TOP BATTER WAR | 443.3 | 8 |
TOP PITCHING WAR | 89.5 | 81 |
TOTAL WAR | 615.8 | 46 |
TOTAL BATTER WAR | 502.1 | 14 |
TOTAL PITCHER WAR | 113.7 | 80 |
GARBAGE TOTAL WAR | 83.0 | 61 |
GARBAGE BATTER WAR | 58.8 | 50 |
GARBAGE PITCHER WAR | 24.2 | 53 |
BATTER AGE | 27.33 | 73 |
PITCHER AGE | 26.23 | 78 |
TOP BATTER AGE | 26.64 | 78 |
TOP PITCHER AGE | 25.30 | 81 |
Comments: Holy unbalanced team batman. Meet the 2nd worst pitching staff of any pennant winning team covered (and spoiler alert, it finished 0.1 ahead of another Reds team from this era). The Big Red Machine was clearly focused around offense, and in that the did VERY well. 3 HOFers (Bench, Perez, Morgan) plus Pete Rose, not to mention guys like George Foster and Dave Concepcion who didn’t exactly suck either. The pitching staff on the other hand, featured almost as many guys with 10+ WAR (3) as negative WAR (2) which is not exactly ideal. This team also wraps up the bottom half of our list, we are halfway there folks!!
As a kid living in the area and following the Big Red Machine, I can say that (1) Hell to the Yes on the Offense, but (2) while the staff rarely had mega-career pitchers, they were full of guys who were at their peaks...meaning whatever WAR their careers had were being created in those moments. That's perhaps a sign of a good front office and/or scouting/coaching staff. Maybe?
Per BBRef, the Reds' staff was third in the league in ERA that year, anyway.
Regardless, the Reds could always hit.
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by usnspecialist » Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:13 pm
RonCo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:54 am
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:51 pm
Comments: As mentioned above, the White Sox were not leading the American League at this time (although they were leading the AL West, the Yankees had a better overall record), but I made the executive decision because the Yankees from this generation were VERY well represented later on in this list to get some variety. This was a team that had a lot of promising potential as a good bulk of their lineup and rotation were in the middle of the prime (and they had also made the 1993 ALCS the year before), but they never really came back after the strike with any sort of spark. Anytime a team can have only 1 member of the 10 man rotation and 2 of their top 11 hitters with below 10 WAR, that is a pretty balanced team. As a White Sox fan it would have been fun to see what this team was capable of but alas….
Yeah, it would have been great to see an older Tim Raines get another shot here. The strike year has the same "what if" kind of feel as the pandemic year. Yes, the Dodgers got their World Series out of it, but we got robbed of the full story that a real season allows.
raines actually DID get a ring with the yankees a few years later, albeit in a supporting role (he was actually 11th on that team, so he will count towards their stats for the purposes of this).
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by usnspecialist » Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:15 pm
RonCo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:47 am
usnspecialist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:31 pm
RANK: 44
YEAR: 2002
TEAM: San Francisco Giants
TOP WAR: 525.4
PLAYOFF RESULTS: Lost World Series 4-3 to Anaheim Angels
TOP PITCHERS:
POSITION | AGE | NAME | WAR |
C | 37 | Benito Santiago | 27.4 |
1B | 34 | JT Snow | 11.0 |
2B | 34 | Jeff Kent | 55.4 |
SS | 30 | Rich Aurilia | 18.2 |
3B | 29 | David Bell | 15.2 |
LF | 37 | Barry Bonds | 163.0 |
CF | 30 | Tsuyoshi Shinjo | 3.9 |
RF | 34 | Reggie Sanders | 39.8 |
BENCH | 35 | Kenny Lofton | 68.4 |
BENCH | 28 | Damon Minor | 0.1 |
BENCH | 29 | Ramon Martinez | -0.8 |
Dang ... another double-paste.
No pitchers!
Aside: It's annoying that Bonds did the stuff because he'd be in just based on his first career. Dummy.
fixed but as you see the pitchers aren't really much to look at anyway...
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