2059 – Top Farm Systems

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2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by RonCo » Sun May 05, 2024 8:40 am

If you believe in OOTP, the best farm systems in the league belong to Des Moines, Yellow Springs, and Chicago. And, yes, they clearly do have some pretty interesting guys. But if you’re like me you don’t just judge how good or bad a system is by looking at a team’s top prospects. A system is, after all, a system.

Hence the return of this feature, which old-timers will recall from a run I did back in the early and mid-2040s. Basically, I ran through our BBA farm systems and simply counted up the number of players that OOTP rates at each various level of the 20=80 scale. Then gave them each a weighted value (i.e., an 80 gets 9 points, a 75 gets 8 points, and on down the line until we come to the 45 and 40 level, which I count in the list but give massively discounted points to. We’re going to get bumpers someplace, right? A team with fourty five “40s” has a deeper organization than a team with ten of them. So this system indicates that).

Regardless, I then do two calculations: (1) an overall score (wRank), and (2) A score with only prospects rated 60 and above (wRankTop). At that point, I create the little graph that plots both these ranks, hence creating a metric that gives us an idea of how every system in the league sits relative to its top-end as well as it’s overall depth.

That’s the theory, anyway.

One thing to note is that for this one I didn't use International complexes, and I simply used an age cut-off (25 or younger), and didn’t worry about whether a player was in the majors or not. So that makes the metric more about age-waves than “farm systems.” Maybe I’ll change that going forward? Dunno. Regardless, it is what it is for now. You can tell me it was wrong if you want.

Here’s the data:

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Bottom line, Des Moines, Yellow Springs and Chicago all do well. Arguably, though, Portland (rated #5 by OOTP) is much stronger than any of them…and since I don’t use the majors/minors definition right gnow, Nashville still looks awfully proud. Omaha and Hawaii have nothing at the top end, and score poorly, but you can see Hawaii’s depth is a touch better.

Across the divisions, it’s not surprising that the Heatland scores top marks, but it is possibly surprising that the Pacific is in their slipstream. The Frintir is a step back, and the Atlantic—without a 70+ prospect at all—is far off.

What do you make of it? Well, I don’t know. But I like to look at this data considerably more than OOTO’s rankings, and I suppose that’s good enough for me.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by BaseClogger » Sun May 05, 2024 9:17 am

I’m tied with Charm City for the most 40 rated prospects. That’s a point of pride.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by BaseClogger » Sun May 05, 2024 9:20 am

Calgary and Nashville being underrated by OOTP isn’t surprising since a good chunk of their young talent is in the majors.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by BaseClogger » Sun May 05, 2024 9:24 am

Our plots are basically on top of one another, Ron.

Pretty crazy Nashville can have 76 of these players and triple up Madison who only has 24. Tough break for Madison who hasn’t been doing much winning at the BBA level either.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by DaveB » Sun May 05, 2024 9:35 am

BaseClogger wrote:
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I’m tied with Charm City for the most 40 rated prospects. That’s a point of pride.
I’m happy my team has that many. Picking later in the draft if I can have some of those guys develop further it’s huge. If not potential trade pieces or bench/pen guy if they reach the bigs.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by BaseClogger » Sun May 05, 2024 9:38 am

DaveB wrote:
Sun May 05, 2024 9:35 am
BaseClogger wrote:
Sun May 05, 2024 9:17 am
I’m tied with Charm City for the most 40 rated prospects. That’s a point of pride.
I’m happy my team has that many. Picking later in the draft if I can have some of those guys develop further it’s huge. If not potential trade pieces or bench/pen guy if they reach the bigs.
Having late picks I think depth is the only thing you can control.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by Krathan » Sun May 05, 2024 9:54 am

Good thing I made the playoffs last season. Otherwise this chart would be even more depressing for me. Of course, if I hadn’t been in position to make the playoffs last year then this chart would look different for my team. I traded away some of my best prospects to get into the postseason.

I did have my top pitching prospect go from being around a 65 POT SP to a 45 POT SP and only 50 as RP, so that hurt some. Also Jacquot Natta is a 70 POT 1B and 55 POT SP. He’s set up as a 3B which shows as only 55 POT. I’m curious how your script pulled him. Clearly not as a 70 POT prospect.

Edit: Actually, as of the latest sim, Natta is 60 POT at 3B. That’s who the 60 is on the chart.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by RonCo » Sun May 05, 2024 1:41 pm

BaseClogger wrote:
Sun May 05, 2024 9:38 am

Having late picks I think depth is the only thing you can control.
Yeah, you can almost always move to the right on that chart. Moving up is more difficult. But, really, in the end, while having a deep minor league system does take some work and attention, it's really is somewhat of a choice.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by DaveB » Mon May 06, 2024 11:23 am

BaseClogger wrote:
Sun May 05, 2024 9:38 am
DaveB wrote:
Sun May 05, 2024 9:35 am
BaseClogger wrote:
Sun May 05, 2024 9:17 am
I’m tied with Charm City for the most 40 rated prospects. That’s a point of pride.
I’m happy my team has that many. Picking later in the draft if I can have some of those guys develop further it’s huge. If not potential trade pieces or bench/pen guy if they reach the bigs.
Having late picks I think depth is the only thing you can control.
That’s true. Also when I was trading players that weren’t big name players with 24 I was targeting low eleven players in hopes they would develop with the added time. Some did some didn’t.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by Dington » Mon May 06, 2024 12:09 pm

Even after Lolololo, Gonzales, and Cano were moved off the prospects list, I still thought my farm was much stronger than OOTP gave it credit for. I'm happy with it.
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Re: 2059 – Top Farm Systems

Post by lordtoffee » Mon May 06, 2024 5:18 pm

My ranking is going to go down because Trujilo and Liyongo are going to get their chance. The biggest issue I have is that while I have had some hitters come up, pitching is something that I really need to focus on.
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